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		By: Brian Ballast		</title>
		<link>https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-19742</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2017 23:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-4222&quot;&gt;Earl&lt;/a&gt;.

Snyder isn&#039;t saying &quot;look how much awesomer i&#039;m making them&quot;, if he were saying that the movie would probably have more &quot;fun&quot; in it and &quot;not take itself so seriously&quot;. he&#039;s actively trying to break them. he knows why you like them so much, and he&#039;s trying to rip your security blankets from your hands. a movie where you&#039;re, from the start, basically forcing heroes to fight eachother would have to be &quot;fuck superheroes movie &quot; or the &quot;take superheroes to court movie&quot;so actually you don&#039;t fucking understand snyder and you don&#039;t know what he&#039;s thinking. you&#039;re not fucking smarter than the guy making the next generation of nolanesque DC movies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-4222">Earl</a>.</p>
<p>Snyder isn&#8217;t saying &#8220;look how much awesomer i&#8217;m making them&#8221;, if he were saying that the movie would probably have more &#8220;fun&#8221; in it and &#8220;not take itself so seriously&#8221;. he&#8217;s actively trying to break them. he knows why you like them so much, and he&#8217;s trying to rip your security blankets from your hands. a movie where you&#8217;re, from the start, basically forcing heroes to fight eachother would have to be &#8220;fuck superheroes movie &#8221; or the &#8220;take superheroes to court movie&#8221;so actually you don&#8217;t fucking understand snyder and you don&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s thinking. you&#8217;re not fucking smarter than the guy making the next generation of nolanesque DC movies.</p>
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		By: Brian Ballast		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2017 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-13690&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Lois Lane being a plot device that&#039;s constantly imperiled IS the point(although she&#039;s not a plot device, the movie uses her to reveal already known information(also a point) and she does everything she does out of bullshit-reporter guilt, it&#039;s character driven and it reveals her character). the absurdity of the martha scene IS the point. when people say think deeply, they don&#039;t necessarily mean try harder to see the movie the way that you want to see it, or the way you think a conventionally good movie should play out, they mean reconsider what you think the movie&#039;s trying to do. take a few steps back, THEN a few steps forward. cause batman v superman ISN&#039;T a conventionally good naturalistic film, it&#039;s ironic and absurdist as fuck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-13690">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Lois Lane being a plot device that&#8217;s constantly imperiled IS the point(although she&#8217;s not a plot device, the movie uses her to reveal already known information(also a point) and she does everything she does out of bullshit-reporter guilt, it&#8217;s character driven and it reveals her character). the absurdity of the martha scene IS the point. when people say think deeply, they don&#8217;t necessarily mean try harder to see the movie the way that you want to see it, or the way you think a conventionally good movie should play out, they mean reconsider what you think the movie&#8217;s trying to do. take a few steps back, THEN a few steps forward. cause batman v superman ISN&#8217;T a conventionally good naturalistic film, it&#8217;s ironic and absurdist as fuck.</p>
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		By: Brian Ballast		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2017 00:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-4194&quot;&gt;bob the dingbat&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;tries too hard to do too much&quot;. if you mean it&#039;s dense as fuck with subtext, it is. if you mean that four main characters, visually contrasting vistas, and experimental editing somehow made the film inherently bad, they didn&#039;t. superman and batman don&#039;t feel one-dimensional because they didn&#039;t give either of them enough screen time, they both have like 30 or so minutes of screen time. they feel one-dimensional because all of their character development is visual. superman only has 21 lines in the movie or some shit: this isn&#039;t a mistake, it&#039;s another biblical reference. you have to actually think about the movie to understand why characters do what they do, this ambiguity is deliberate as the movie is afterall about media spin and the existential confusion that it creates. and if you walk into the movie thinking &quot;superman&#039;s above shit like psychological defense mechanisms and slowly losing his fucking mind as a result of being gaslit by the entire human race&quot; you&#039;re priming yourself to never be able to see how stuff fits together the way that it does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-4194">bob the dingbat</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;tries too hard to do too much&#8221;. if you mean it&#8217;s dense as fuck with subtext, it is. if you mean that four main characters, visually contrasting vistas, and experimental editing somehow made the film inherently bad, they didn&#8217;t. superman and batman don&#8217;t feel one-dimensional because they didn&#8217;t give either of them enough screen time, they both have like 30 or so minutes of screen time. they feel one-dimensional because all of their character development is visual. superman only has 21 lines in the movie or some shit: this isn&#8217;t a mistake, it&#8217;s another biblical reference. you have to actually think about the movie to understand why characters do what they do, this ambiguity is deliberate as the movie is afterall about media spin and the existential confusion that it creates. and if you walk into the movie thinking &#8220;superman&#8217;s above shit like psychological defense mechanisms and slowly losing his fucking mind as a result of being gaslit by the entire human race&#8221; you&#8217;re priming yourself to never be able to see how stuff fits together the way that it does.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-4196&quot;&gt;tman418&lt;/a&gt;.

They whole you have to think deeper into his world to get it is cop-out bull. BVS is horrible, there is no defense. I can pick the entire movie apart in no time. The absurd Martha scene. The Lois Lane being nothing but a plot device to push the lack of plot along. The casting, nothing in it is good. The absolute cherry on top of how bad this movie was, Batman telling Superman, &quot;I thought she was with you.&quot; Either an attempt of Snyder to throw in one joke in his EMO Fanboy fantasy, or he seriously forgot that Bruce and Diana had already shared significant scene time together. He can&#039;t even say he didn&#039;t recognize the Wonder Woman outfit cause he saw the WW1 picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/zack-snyder-hated-director/#comment-4196">tman418</a>.</p>
<p>They whole you have to think deeper into his world to get it is cop-out bull. BVS is horrible, there is no defense. I can pick the entire movie apart in no time. The absurd Martha scene. The Lois Lane being nothing but a plot device to push the lack of plot along. The casting, nothing in it is good. The absolute cherry on top of how bad this movie was, Batman telling Superman, &#8220;I thought she was with you.&#8221; Either an attempt of Snyder to throw in one joke in his EMO Fanboy fantasy, or he seriously forgot that Bruce and Diana had already shared significant scene time together. He can&#8217;t even say he didn&#8217;t recognize the Wonder Woman outfit cause he saw the WW1 picture.</p>
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		By: Adrian P.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was Warner&#039;s decision to give DCEU this kind of bleak tone and to take as a main principle the rule of &quot;deconstruction of the heroes&quot;. Snyder is only a &quot;Yes Man&quot; here, they&#039;ve offered him that gig to have a lot of stylized action in the movies, but the whole concept and direction of DCEU come from the tother place - from WB&#039;s high office. One can only suspect that they idea was simple - in order to compete with Marvel we have to offer the audience something completely different: dark, grim and unpredictable. Say what you want, but I can apply those adjectives to &quot;Man of Steel&quot; and &quot;BvS&quot; and those movies filled that quota.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Warner&#8217;s decision to give DCEU this kind of bleak tone and to take as a main principle the rule of &#8220;deconstruction of the heroes&#8221;. Snyder is only a &#8220;Yes Man&#8221; here, they&#8217;ve offered him that gig to have a lot of stylized action in the movies, but the whole concept and direction of DCEU come from the tother place &#8211; from WB&#8217;s high office. One can only suspect that they idea was simple &#8211; in order to compete with Marvel we have to offer the audience something completely different: dark, grim and unpredictable. Say what you want, but I can apply those adjectives to &#8220;Man of Steel&#8221; and &#8220;BvS&#8221; and those movies filled that quota.</p>
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		By: Earl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So sick of this popular trend to crap on the source material. Sure, when I watched BVS, I knew what Snyder was grave robbing. But I also knew he didn&#039;t get it. And that what he was ripping off was better an more coherent than what his &quot;vision&quot; was. You want to do something new with the character? Fine. But understand the character. Build on that. Don&#039;t just make up things like Batman now brands people and Superman lets people die no problem. That&#039;s not what Batman does. That&#039;s not who Superman is. Articles like this, defending an obviously bad director who can&#039;t piece a movie together to save his life says more about the writer. Instead of trying to justify bad directors, maybe take time to see what&#039;s angering people. Maybe actually learning about what Snyder is ripping off instead of trying to defend what is obviously wrong. If I&#039;m going to a movie based on something, that&#039;s what I want. You don&#039;t see people praising &quot;Catwoman&quot; or films like that that crap on the source material for a directors vision. There&#039;s a reason Marvel films do spectacular and Snyder films don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sick of this popular trend to crap on the source material. Sure, when I watched BVS, I knew what Snyder was grave robbing. But I also knew he didn&#8217;t get it. And that what he was ripping off was better an more coherent than what his &#8220;vision&#8221; was. You want to do something new with the character? Fine. But understand the character. Build on that. Don&#8217;t just make up things like Batman now brands people and Superman lets people die no problem. That&#8217;s not what Batman does. That&#8217;s not who Superman is. Articles like this, defending an obviously bad director who can&#8217;t piece a movie together to save his life says more about the writer. Instead of trying to justify bad directors, maybe take time to see what&#8217;s angering people. Maybe actually learning about what Snyder is ripping off instead of trying to defend what is obviously wrong. If I&#8217;m going to a movie based on something, that&#8217;s what I want. You don&#8217;t see people praising &#8220;Catwoman&#8221; or films like that that crap on the source material for a directors vision. There&#8217;s a reason Marvel films do spectacular and Snyder films don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: tman418		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that people are still far too hung up on the nostalgia of the Christopher Reeves Superman movies and the Christopher Nolan &quot;Dark Knight&quot; trilogy. After all, it&#039;s only been 4 years since the last of Nolan&#039;s Batman movies, and yet we have to see the death of Bruce&#039;s parents AGAIN?! In detail?! I understand that as a standalone movie, that death scene in BvS was kind of necessary (the whole &quot;Martha&quot; thing), but it did set up a dark tone from the beginning. I just think that people aren&#039;t used to seeing &quot;Batman&quot; that way.

I think that Snyder&#039;s flaw is that he assumed two things

1. Viewers would be familiar with the comic books
2. Viewers would bother to think a little more deeply about the world these heroes live in, and how it affects their psychology, especially Batman&#039;s.

Look, understand that Batfleck, as we are first introduced to him, has been at this for 20 years. It&#039;s already confirmed that in this series (so far), the Joker has killed Robin (or one of them...if they&#039;re following the comics), and most likely Harvey Dent has become Two-Face, etc etc, Batman&#039;s tragedies go on and on. The world has just been introduced to a superhero (Superman) whose heroic battle against one of his fellow species has just destroyed half a city. People are scared, and so is Batman. He has just come to know of a non-human who is literally indestructible without the help of a substance that can&#039;t be found on Earth.

Batman is quite literally a one-man army against some of the most resourceful, determined, deadly, and brutal criminals in comic book history. He is a one-man army barely holding Gotham together against a helpless and distrusting (and in many cases, untrustworthy) police force. And he has lost so much in his war against crime. And now, Batman sees Superman, an indestructible God who cannot be taken down by anything Batman can do naturally. Why wouldn&#039;t he allow himself to be influenced by the natural fear of people who find out Superman?

Come on people. Do you honestly think everything would be hunky dory, if not only we were introduced to someone who is basically a walking god, but was also introduced to us because of an (understandable) disagreement between he and fellow members of his species which destroys one of America&#039;s largest cities?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that people are still far too hung up on the nostalgia of the Christopher Reeves Superman movies and the Christopher Nolan &#8220;Dark Knight&#8221; trilogy. After all, it&#8217;s only been 4 years since the last of Nolan&#8217;s Batman movies, and yet we have to see the death of Bruce&#8217;s parents AGAIN?! In detail?! I understand that as a standalone movie, that death scene in BvS was kind of necessary (the whole &#8220;Martha&#8221; thing), but it did set up a dark tone from the beginning. I just think that people aren&#8217;t used to seeing &#8220;Batman&#8221; that way.</p>
<p>I think that Snyder&#8217;s flaw is that he assumed two things</p>
<p>1. Viewers would be familiar with the comic books<br />
2. Viewers would bother to think a little more deeply about the world these heroes live in, and how it affects their psychology, especially Batman&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Look, understand that Batfleck, as we are first introduced to him, has been at this for 20 years. It&#8217;s already confirmed that in this series (so far), the Joker has killed Robin (or one of them&#8230;if they&#8217;re following the comics), and most likely Harvey Dent has become Two-Face, etc etc, Batman&#8217;s tragedies go on and on. The world has just been introduced to a superhero (Superman) whose heroic battle against one of his fellow species has just destroyed half a city. People are scared, and so is Batman. He has just come to know of a non-human who is literally indestructible without the help of a substance that can&#8217;t be found on Earth.</p>
<p>Batman is quite literally a one-man army against some of the most resourceful, determined, deadly, and brutal criminals in comic book history. He is a one-man army barely holding Gotham together against a helpless and distrusting (and in many cases, untrustworthy) police force. And he has lost so much in his war against crime. And now, Batman sees Superman, an indestructible God who cannot be taken down by anything Batman can do naturally. Why wouldn&#8217;t he allow himself to be influenced by the natural fear of people who find out Superman?</p>
<p>Come on people. Do you honestly think everything would be hunky dory, if not only we were introduced to someone who is basically a walking god, but was also introduced to us because of an (understandable) disagreement between he and fellow members of his species which destroys one of America&#8217;s largest cities?</p>
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		By: bob the dingbat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole critics being paid off by Disney thing is absurd, Snyder was hated long before BvS. I used to really like his films, his Dawn of the dead remake was excellent as was 300. In 300 he found a film that worked perfectly with his style.  Suckerpunch was an interesting attempt even if it did miss the mark.Watchmen I really liked, again it suited his style. Man of steel was an odd choice for him if you ask me, but it wasn&#039;t too bad despite some mis-steps.  I hoped that things would improve for BvS but in my opinion he made  the worst film of his career and it deserves the critical mauling it got. The film should have at least been an enjoyable action film, but with the people involved I expected more than that. To be honest the failing is that it tries too hard to do too much. The cast were generally good the film looked the part, aside from some crappy cgi in places but it failed to have heart or character.  A similar issue that Suckerpunch had now that I think about it. I hope things get better for the DCCU as there is potential there and to be honest it can only get better from here on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole critics being paid off by Disney thing is absurd, Snyder was hated long before BvS. I used to really like his films, his Dawn of the dead remake was excellent as was 300. In 300 he found a film that worked perfectly with his style.  Suckerpunch was an interesting attempt even if it did miss the mark.Watchmen I really liked, again it suited his style. Man of steel was an odd choice for him if you ask me, but it wasn&#8217;t too bad despite some mis-steps.  I hoped that things would improve for BvS but in my opinion he made  the worst film of his career and it deserves the critical mauling it got. The film should have at least been an enjoyable action film, but with the people involved I expected more than that. To be honest the failing is that it tries too hard to do too much. The cast were generally good the film looked the part, aside from some crappy cgi in places but it failed to have heart or character.  A similar issue that Suckerpunch had now that I think about it. I hope things get better for the DCCU as there is potential there and to be honest it can only get better from here on.</p>
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